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July 23, 2005

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Temple3

Have any conservatives done comprehensive studies on the manner in which legal preferences for various groups create inefficiencies? The notioin that Connerly would focus on affirmative action is absurd...on what basis is he remotely concerned with this issue. He does not identify with black folks - he is an American and affirmative action is hardly the policy issue with the greatest impact of economic equity...he could look into the deal made between his $400K benefactor and the city of San Diego. Connerly's an old pimp - not much more.

It is fairly obvious that Connerly is a hired gun who has sought the best deal for himself - and from the standpoint of personal accomplishments remains a minor leaguer with national notoriety merely because of his purchased political positions. The paradox of his "humanity" is that he has staked out an individualist position in order to attack redress directed to a specific group with whom he only identifies under government compulsion - while it is precisely his phenotype which is presumed as a source of IDENTITY and EXPERTISE on matters relating to a group with whom he does not identify.

Connerly gets big money from confirmed white supremacists and gets coverage from the media owned by those same folks...Barber's on crack...the more I hear, the less I can appreciate...this really is not rocket science - where does Connerly get his loot from?? simple - he certainly does not get it from superior business acumen or towering intellectual capacity or even captivating oration...I hope his fake-a$! "shriveled-rights" group can work as aggressively on the sweetheart deals that rich folks get at the expense of municipalities and states.

http://www.equaljusticesociety.org/research_bigmoney_connerly.html

Temple3

http://www.mediatransparency.org/funderprofile.php?funderID=1

cats like connerly take money from these folks and assume it's all good, but is it? i go back to my first question with respect to black republicans/conservatives - what are you trying to conserve - especially as it relates to the economic and political development of black folk?

more to the point, i would appreciate it if folks like connerly and other conservatives not advocate economic plans for black folk they don't advocate for their sponsors...imagine if Coors had to sell beer on merit...they'd be on welfare in a week - or if the Padres received concessions from San Diego based on performance.

if the California Board of Regents is as sleepy a group as the New York Board of Regents, i can't begin to tell you how unimpressed i am. the good news is that some coalitions in cali have had some success in this battle - though it's uphill given the array of $$$ thrown in support of connerly.

cnulan

Barber's on crack

I believe the more precise technical diagnosis would be strawberry..,

i go back to my first question with respect to black republicans/conservatives - what are you trying to conserve - especially as it relates to the economic and political development of black folk?

the individual advantages conferred on those willing to pledge coalitional allegiance with white-identity politics?

Cobb

Now we know why he hates race-based forms. Considering that Connerly might not go any deeper than being a regular old businessman, it's perfectly logical that he tries to get his political pals to 'clean up' the law for him.

DarkStar

I wrote this, not as an attack against LaShawn Barber, just to support why I wrote that Connerly took advantage of affirmative action.

Temple3

That's cool...I didn't mean to "attack" so much as to highlight what should be obvious contradictions in her processing of information[hence the flippant crack reference]...I certainly did not want to ascribe any undue criticism in your direction, particularly since I recognized the value of your post.

Dell Gines

"The paradox of his "humanity" is that he has staked out an individualist position in order to attack redress directed to a specific group with whom he only identifies under government compulsion - while it is precisely his phenotype which is presumed as a source of IDENTITY and EXPERTISE on matters relating to a group with whom he does not identify." - Temple3

All I have to say is booyah...hit the nail on the head with that one...

Cobb

un yah your booyah. All you can say about Ward Connerly is that he has taken a contrarian position to that of the average black Joe. Who's to say that he doesn't identify? Maybe he does and is just saying, with regard to the arc of black progress, when you get to the level of being an independent millionaire businessman, the little racial identification on government forms is more of a hindrance than a help.

I grant you that he shows little regard to the arc of Civil Rights law and racial identification is a key element to that enforcement. My guess is that he percieves that the net benefits of such monitoring, such as it stands, does not accrue satisfactorily. Living as I do, outside the 'hood, I understand that point of view implicitly.

There are no minority benefits of any sort where I live. I have no idea what they are or where to get them. To the extent that I take pride in my family and our blackness, I could take exactly the same 'stigma' position as Connerly does, and in doing so, I recognize the condescention implicit in eschewing the 'stigma' position. As a successful black person, not living in the black community, with no clue as to what it is that racial identification gets po' folk, Connorly's position is perfectly logical.

His villification comes from the fact that he stands outside of the liberal and progressive traditions of black politics and is successful without them. There is no place else for liberals and progressives to put him except in the same bucket as 'The Man', who hates black people. This demonstrates a failure of liberals and progressives to visualize and respect black success outside of their political control. Instead of dealing with him just like a regular political opponent, he is painted as a race traitor. Is that fair?

Temple3

cobb:

when you say you don't live in a black community, what does that mean? what is a black community? a community where blacks are herded together and reside in depressed economic conditions or is it a community where blacks choose to reside in proximity to one another for some purpose or anticipated benefit? or is it neither or both or is it irrelevant? i would argue that it matters and goes to the heart of the questions occasioned by connerly's position.

as i've said on several occasions, connerly's position does not rise to the level of an ideological disagreement precisely because he is advocating that which his sponsors would never advocate for themselves. Moores, Coors and the rest have established a persistent pattern of accruing benefits beyond the question of merit. the absurdity of connerly's position is his benefactors do not provide excellent products - hell, they're mediocre at best. to the extent that connerly has pocketed over $1 million bones is the extent to which he does not need to identify with the "black collective." moreover, his payments reflect his strident opposition to creating an environment where his "EXCLUSIVE" position of 'negro-arbiter of all things best for all americans' would be threatened. the social prestige (damn a little criticism from black folks who won't bust a cap in his ass) which has accrued to him, the connections to pete wilson and other republicans, etc. are worth their weight in gold and certainly worth the 'criticism' he receives.

the question at hand is actually not whether connerly is correct...the question is whether or not his position is compromised because it flies in the face of american business practice and is actually a subsidized position which he could not afford to promulgate on his own. connerly's position is untenable and hardly practiced in any recognizable manner in the realm of american capitalism.

Lester Spence

Cobb, I don't understand this. It seems as if the prudent thing to do in this case is to back away. I wouldn't defend someone like Leonard Jeffries as far as I could throw him, even though he deems himself a nationalist.

Surely you've run across people who've actually KNOWN Connerly's family? I have and I wasn't even LOOKING. Given the way he carried himself before, and the way his family rolls, NO ONE was surprised at his behavior. Harold Cruse (old school cultural nationalist) was a contrarian. Adolph Reed (old school marxist) is a contrarian. Albert Murray (old school integrationist) is a contrarian.

Connerly? Don't make me hurl. He isn't even worth using to make your larger point.

DarkStar

Les, can you go into more detail about Connerly's family and how they roll? And what do you mean about his "behavior"? Really. I'm curious.

Cobb, some Blacks who agreed with Connerly's affirmative action stance had to disagree with him over his stance when he tried to get a proposition passed that would have made gathering of racial information even for medical research illegal.

I don't like going after a person by calling them a "sellout". I want to see the facts and let me decide for myself.

Right now on the afroam-l list, one guy keeps labeling me as "white thinking" while not providing much information other than the typical extreme socialist crap that doesn't hold up under light inspection.

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