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August 17, 2005

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Cobb

I don't see a theme in militancy. And maybe I'm just living in a post 9/11 world where if bombs aren't going off, it just doesn't get my attention. I also don't see why the word has to be rescued, and I'm perfectly willing to say that all militants are knuckleheads, with the exception of Umkhata we Sizwe.

So if I'm going to go anywhere, it's to 'The Fire Next Time' because it's probably only going to be in the literature where I'm going to find some thread of militancy that is consistent enough to survive.

I don't see the separate destiny. I do see black aggregation perhaps in the upper middle and upper classes, but I'm not so sure it really matters. I keep tending to believe that America works. At least that's how it looks from my ninth floor hotel room in downtown Salt Lake City.

No. I don't see education as liberating as capital formation. It's an awfully hard pill to swallow, but I've been chewing on it a long time.

Perhaps when I get back from the Cass Tech reunion, I will have danced some of my aggression away - but I just am not seeing the vision. I don't see the Blues Aethetic seeping in and changing things. I don't see intellectual vanguards with clear visions. I don't..

Lester Spence

What you've expressed in your comment is all to the good.

But this is besides the point.

Because we aren't talking about the FUTURE of black militancy. Or even the contemporary role of militancy. We're talking about the PAST.

Why do you confuse the three?

Cobb

I'm quite comfortable with saying that the *percieved* militancy of Black Power was instrumental in gaining concessions. Malcolm and Martin had a pincer effect, even if it wasn't an explicit plan. Back in the day you *could* get 10,000 people on the street to protest for 3 clerical jobs. I'm not denying that the threat was credible, but in terms of actually carrying out that militancy, nobody made the leap. We didn't pull off so much as a McVeigh. Nobody even sniped Bull Connor.

I disagreed with and was disappointed in Murray's characterization of Malcolm. But I've had to fess up that Michael Eric Dyson said in truth, that Malcolm never went down South. We can speculate, and people do compare Malcolm with Subhash Bose, but Malcolm's Army never materialized, and my reading of history is that Stokely could muster one. So I'm not convinced that between the credible threat of negroes going buck wild in the streets and the actual possibility of sustaining armed resistance in 1968 that anybody was actually prepared to go the distance. I think the militant *mindset* was there, but not the militant apparatus.


So I immediately jump out to say what is the value of the militant mindset as a standing tactic in the arsenal of black liberation, and the answer in America is close to zero. What I wrote elsewhere and not here brings into the equation of what Blacks were doing all those years when the Red Man was getting annihilated. That's why I separate the periods of history. Putting Cokely, MOVE and SLA in with the Panthers is simply post-black consciousness, because the question was about *black* militancy which I read to be post-Negro struggle for things America had to offer in the post-war period, which is essentially all bourgie - above and beyond what Post-Colonial Africa even hoped for.

Temple3

is this mere tomfoolery or is there a greater game afoot to which we are not privy?

honestly, cobb, i can't understand how you've completed ignored the fundamental breadth of this question and the inappropriateness of such a narrow, ahistorical application.

Temple3

malcolm didn't do anything elijah muhammad didn't want him to do and the minister did not want malcolm or any noi members agitating in the south in any way, shape or form...and dyson knows that. and so should you, bruh...don't be spreadin' if it ain't butter.

Cobb

Where is the pan-generational, international strategy housed? Somewhere in a basement at Morehouse? Clue me in because I didn't get the memo.

brotherbrown

Funny thing is, the only way "Black Militancy (Nationalism)" could have evolved into warfare would have been is a manner that today is defined as "terrorism." Individual cells, operating independently on the same objective. But it never made strategic sense to even try it, so brothers focussed on other strategies.

Remember the Republic of New Africa? The idea of acquiring contiguous land, consisting of several of the southern United States, was spectacular, and the irony is that now in the 21st century, blacks are returning to the South.

Cobb

ick. Afrocentrics.

brotherbrown

Fear of a black {planet|region|state}!

tootsie

Interesting Bro Milton Henry and his Bro Richard were part of Black christian Nationalist movement with its lead organization The Shrine of Black Madonna with The Rev Albert Cleage aka Jarmogi as its leader ;the Henry bro broke away in the early 60s and started there on group"the Republic of New Africa."

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