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September 20, 2005

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Cobb

When these guys go broke or start stealing I'm leaving the US. Unless your money is under a mattress, you're a big fat hypocrite. With a computer, and a mortgage, and a college education, and probably overweight too.
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memer

Ooooh! Craig, Cobb just called you "fatty." I love it when the reparte gets down in the slop.

But C-man I come not to bury or praise but in search of your advice. I'm a former idealist trying to come to grips with life as it is without getting pulled into the bog of paranoia and rabid cynicism. Seriously, what brings you lasting hope and joy? It can't just be your immediate family. Can it?

cnulan

When these guys go broke or start stealing I'm leaving the US. Unless your money is under a mattress, you're a big fat hypocrite. With a computer, and a mortgage, and a college education, and probably overweight too.

Cobb, the lion's share of my money is in a NOC. How's that for a peculiar twist? I'm working against the clock to diversify out of that operational dependancy and I'm getting within months of accomplishing that objective.

Memer,

Seriously, what could possibly be more conducive to hope and joy than the blessing of one's immediate family?

What are the essentials of life in descending order of acuity?

oxygen
water
food

There's one that exceeds all the above in value, and, it's the only one that's genuinely free. Without this one, the others mean nothing.

Working with that is all and everything, an infinite game which very few people know how to play.

Any guesses what I'm referring to?

memer

Argh. Always a Socratic game of Clue with you, Craig. Sometime a brutha head hoit. Just spill it awready (“infinite game” is throwin me off). But if yer askin for a guess, I’ll discard the Tao and go with God. If it's the latter, you'll have to say which one ;-)

cnulan

Attention

The priceless currency with which we pay for everything and which the overwhelming majority of us waste more profligately than a drunken sailors...,

see, now wasn't that easy?

cnulan

I have to leave for a while, but I'd be very curious to know what exactly you DO to cultivate, refine, develop and extend your powers of attention?

After all, everything else is merely conversation...,

Cobb

noc noc
what is it?
http://www.google.com/search?lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=NOC

memer

Whoop. Yeah, Craig you got me. I thought you were going to dish on something else beyond family that gives you hope for the future. I was totally lookin the wrong way. But, yeah, mos def I agree. Back on my old blog I wrote a bit on that very thing.

As for refinement and cultivations, that’s not my steez so much. I stay raw. NOC 5124 times on the ceiling if you want me.

cnulan

Network Operations Center

Attention—Wish—Will—Free Will

memer

Dammit, guessed wrong again. A cat with a string you guys are ;-) Time to give my crytal ball a good shake.

Cool to meet another Gurdjieff fan tho. The Fourth Way (Ouspensky) was one of my favourite books in my late teens. Et tu, Cobb?!

Cobb

I think I like Gurdjieff, but I'm not spiritual until 2007. We'll leave that investigation to Lucifer Jones. In the meantime, I'm all about political economy - getting my freakonomic on.

Dell Gines

Man, Cobb called you fat!

cnulan

I admire my brother's restraint given the harsh ethical gadflying he's endured from me.

While I realize there are some undisciplined brothers here who would love nothing more than a good, old-fashioned coonshow, I hate to disappoint you. It's not going to happen.

But if you'll sally right on back down to those usenet and yahootian wallow's, I'm quite certain the mud and the slop are just as funky as you want'em to be.

cnulan

The Fourth Way (Ouspensky) was one of my favourite books in my late teens.

Have you read All and Everything? Did you look for a group practicing Work? What did you learn that you then applied to yourself? What were the results?

Seriously, what brings you lasting hope and joy?

Other than as idle conversation, an attentional diversion, how could anything I might have to say about my subjectivity be useful to you in this regard?

memer

Hehe. Easy, now. I was being sarcastic re the “slop.” I was surprised by it, but I don’t think “fat” counts as down an dirty namecalling anyway. Obviously, I’m not too shy when it comes to these arguments, but whatever you’ve seen of me to date is as far as it goes for me. I’ve no interest in online dozens games.

Nope, didn’t read AnE, but I do recall the title. TFW was convincing enough at the time and it did inspire me to seek out a group. I could tell you a story or three about my quests, bruh. Anyway, Gurdjieff faded a lot for me after I learned how he died. Didn’t seem to make any sense for the abilities he claimed to have. I still have a book on the philosophy around somewhere tho. The key principle, self-awareness (being "awake"), still resonates for me even tho I don’t hardly practice it.

All is idle conversation til action. But conversation can sometimes lead to different (better?) action if it hits the right way. I mean, that is the best hope of blogging here, innit? I was merely exploring the possibility of your imparting a new (to me) way of seeing things. I was honestly curious, no subterfuge involved. If you don’t care to, no worries mate. Nevermind.

cnulan

What aspect of Gurdjieff's death did you find troubling? What do you make of his funeral?

I was merely exploring the possibility of your imparting a new (to me) way of seeing things. I was honestly curious, no subterfuge involved.

Then answer my questions. What did you learn from exposure to one of PDO's books that you then applied to yourself? What were the results?

btw - it is said of PDO that he died like a dog understanding of course that PDO left Gurdjieff after it became a rather open secret that G was fugging Madame Ouspensky. The term dog also has special significance within the work, as well.

What groups did you encounter, and where?

memer

Thanks, but I think we've danced long enough around dear departed G.I. Gurdjieff. If you'd like to know more about my 'experience' with it (tho there isn't much more to tell), contact me 'offline.' Feel free to divulge your experiences here tho, if you like.

Playing the Socratic thing with you is intriguing for a spell, but for an undisciplined guy like me, it just gets tiresome after a while. Sides, I'm a grown ass man (or at least I like to pretend so) -- last I checked, I was nobody's pupil. if you have something to say/impart just say it plain an straight. The grasshopper-teacher thing...? A nga is tiiyud.

So back to the question at hand. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have gotten the distinct impression that you have a much more dour view of the world's future than most. You've been ringing claxons for gawd knows. So that's what prompted me here to ask, "Seriously, what brings you lasting hope and joy?"

Joy I can see from having a close, loving family and friends, but if things are likely to go kaputsky in the coming oil crisis (or whatever worldwide calamity), I ask what -- if anything -- gives you hope for a bright future for mankind? What are you fighting for?

I gather the answer might be somewhere in Gurdjieff's writings, but it's been a looong time for me and the parts I remember don't reveal any useful clues. If you're willing, I'd like to know which bits. Plain and straight, as if I were completely ignorant about the Work. and sans coy.

cnulan

far be it from me to disturb your sleep, nighty night tiiyud nga....,

memer

Hehe! Good one. And about what I figured. Ok, gotcha now.

cnulan

ROTFLMBAO!!!

Cobb

I suspect that CN operates out a context which is largely alien to most of us in the belly of the beast. So I understand and expect him to come out of left field. He is clearly someone who has accomplished a jump out of Protestantism and Catholicism and yet remained Christian. It seems mysterious and is and yet it's an orthodoxy.

So his expectations that we all make the leap to his land of reason are to be expected, even if they're not reasonable. But as far as he's concerned we're all worshipping false idols and he remains frustrated that they symbology of his icons go right over our heads.

cnulan

So his expectations that we all make the leap to his land of reason are to be expected, even if they're not reasonable.

I want nothing for anyone that they don't want for themselves. That said, I insist on effort, struggle, internal consistency, and sincerity from anyone to whom I pay attention.

But as far as he's concerned we're all worshipping false idols and he remains frustrated that they symbology of his icons go right over our heads.

No aspect of my practice is over your head. It's a simple matter of application. None of us can be more than what we pay our attention to.

Attention-Wish-Will-Free Will.

Free Will is a VERY big thing. To talk about a soul or other imaginal pearl of great price is indeed pointless if one has not gotten a practical understanding of the currency of attention.

Cobb

sorry. did you say something?


(i couldn't resist)

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