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October 15, 2005

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Lester Spence

Let me get this straight. Terrorists were originally recruited by American forces to get the Russians out of Afghanistan, presumably for global political reasons. They have established covert relationships with governments across the planet, presumably for global political reasons.

But only now do you believe that these terrorists are rational political actors?

DarkStar

But only now do you believe that these terrorists are rational political actors?

No.

There are commentators who claim that the terrorists only care about advancing their cause at any expense and don't care about who gets hurt. That idea is trashed if this letter is authentic and if the translation is accurate.

Temple3

my man, that is an absurd position to take - unless you also grant that any people or nation who become aware of another people or nation's grand designs have a right to launch a unilateral attack. if this is fodder for cosigning the attack in iraq, then what license has been granted to africa and asia in combatting the imperial designs of the west? after all, what are you scared of?

DarkStar

unless you also grant that any people or nation who become aware of another people or nation's grand designs have a right to launch a unilateral attack.

You took what I wrote and assumed a position that I don't have.

I wasn't commenting on the "right" or "wrong" of the attack. I was commenting on the letter itself and what it may mean.

On the attack itself, I think the Bush administration lied about the reasons for the attack.

If I remember correctly, the strong rhetoric against Iraq picked up in intensity after Saadam came out and said that he was giving money to the families of terrorists who killed themselves when attacking Israelis in Israel. To me, that was the reason the Bush administration attacked.

Temple3

okay - without putting words in your mouth - i'll take it back to the beginning.

what do people who are opposed to the actions in Iraq need to rethink? please don't tell me it is simply that this letter reflects cognition and choice. you seldom say much - you usually just post and leave it up to us to figure it out. in that respect, it doesn't matter that you don't hold the position i rejection in my last post. if custom holds, you won't state your position. nonetheless, based on what you've written above, i gathered that your call to rethinking oppositional positions was based on the implications you selected to post from the letter. there is considerably more to the letter - but the implications of what you selected do not directly address israel (to the exclusion of other co-conspirators in the West).

"I wasn't commenting on the "right" or "wrong" of the attack. I was commenting on the letter itself and what it may mean."

what might the letter mean?

DarkStar

what do people who are opposed to the actions in Iraq need to rethink?

That there might be some correct supposition coming from the Bush administration concerning terrorists wanting to set up a Muslim outpost vs. "defeding" Islam.

if custom holds, you won't state your position.

I find that comment funny.

but the implications of what you selected do not directly address israel

True. I just stated my reason why I think the administration decided to attack Iraq. It wasn't about oil nor was it about weapons of mass destruction. It was about the defense of Israel. If it was in the open, then I'd have no problem because the people of the U.S. could "discuss" the situation on its merits. Instead, we have, IMO, a bogus ass discussion concerning WOMD and the war on terrorism.

what might the letter mean?

That for those who think if we pull out it would be over, they are sadly mistaken.

Temple3

thank you.

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